Author: SCI Members Mailing List
Subject: reply to Jon
Your record label seems to have a distribution deal with Orchard. It is not any more complicated than that.
You are getting exactly the same royalty from sales through YouTube clicks as you would direct sales from iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, etc. The Orchard is not selling your music; neither is YouTube. It is unlikely that you have any control over whether the recording is on YouTube if you have given distribution rights to a label. Presumably, you have done this, as the music appears in various retail outlets online. I seriously doubt that any individual or company has misappropriated your intellectual property in this process.
It is important, when considering this situation, to distinguish between the owner of the composition, the owner of the master recording, the record label, record distributors, and music retailers. Sometimes there is overlap between these entities, but not always. Various agreements between them can mean that our music shows up in places that we don’t expect, but that rarely means that anything illegal or even unethical has transpired. This is why attorneys have jobs. :-)
David MacDonald
On February 3, 2016 at 11:40:27 AM, SCI Members Mailing List (scimembers at societyofcomposers.org) wrote:
I did not upload my CD music to Orchard as they say.
I need to find out who did.
Vivian
VivianAR at aol.com Vivian Adelberg Rudow ASCAP Plus winner every year since 1987 www.vivianadelbergrudow.com CD: Sound Portraits: Orchestra, Chamber and Electro-Acoustic Music by Vivian Adelberg Rudow; To order CD go to website above. This is a complicated and controversial issue, and I'm not sure I understand it completely myself, but here is what I know. Corrections gladly accepted if I have got anything wrong.
According to Google at:
support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797370?hl=en
"Copyright owners can use a system called Content ID to easily identify and manage their content on YouTube. Videos uploaded to YouTube are scanned against a database of files that have been submitted to us by content owners. Copyright owners get to decide what happens when content in a video on YouTube matches a work they own. When this happens, the video gets a Content ID claim." Apparently (I'm surmising here, but this seems to be how it works) one of the things copyright owners get to decide is to have links to on line music stores attached to the video; presumably the alleged copyright owner gets a click fee if you go to that store to buy the music.
There has been quite a bit of controversey about music distributors making blanket copyright claims on YouTube videos just so they can get a lot of click fees from the ad links added to the disputed video. I don't know anything about the mentioned in the email, but I do know that many of the YouTube posters who have posted complaints about this in various internet forums have said that trying to contact either YouTube or the copyright claiming company to correct the situation is frustrating at best and futile at worst.
For more, try an internet search on terms like YouTube copyright claims, adding terms like conetent ID, dispute, controversey, etc. It will find a huge amount of material on this.
Jon Corelis jonc at alumni.stanford.edu
Subject: reply to Jon
Your record label seems to have a distribution deal with Orchard. It is not any more complicated than that.
You are getting exactly the same royalty from sales through YouTube clicks as you would direct sales from iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, etc. The Orchard is not selling your music; neither is YouTube. It is unlikely that you have any control over whether the recording is on YouTube if you have given distribution rights to a label. Presumably, you have done this, as the music appears in various retail outlets online. I seriously doubt that any individual or company has misappropriated your intellectual property in this process.
It is important, when considering this situation, to distinguish between the owner of the composition, the owner of the master recording, the record label, record distributors, and music retailers. Sometimes there is overlap between these entities, but not always. Various agreements between them can mean that our music shows up in places that we don’t expect, but that rarely means that anything illegal or even unethical has transpired. This is why attorneys have jobs. :-)
David MacDonald
On February 3, 2016 at 11:40:27 AM, SCI Members Mailing List (scimembers at societyofcomposers.org) wrote:
I did not upload my CD music to Orchard as they say.
I need to find out who did.
Vivian
VivianAR at aol.com Vivian Adelberg Rudow ASCAP Plus winner every year since 1987 www.vivianadelbergrudow.com CD: Sound Portraits: Orchestra, Chamber and Electro-Acoustic Music by Vivian Adelberg Rudow; To order CD go to website above. This is a complicated and controversial issue, and I'm not sure I understand it completely myself, but here is what I know. Corrections gladly accepted if I have got anything wrong.
According to Google at:
support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797370?hl=en
"Copyright owners can use a system called Content ID to easily identify and manage their content on YouTube. Videos uploaded to YouTube are scanned against a database of files that have been submitted to us by content owners. Copyright owners get to decide what happens when content in a video on YouTube matches a work they own. When this happens, the video gets a Content ID claim." Apparently (I'm surmising here, but this seems to be how it works) one of the things copyright owners get to decide is to have links to on line music stores attached to the video; presumably the alleged copyright owner gets a click fee if you go to that store to buy the music.
There has been quite a bit of controversey about music distributors making blanket copyright claims on YouTube videos just so they can get a lot of click fees from the ad links added to the disputed video. I don't know anything about the mentioned in the email, but I do know that many of the YouTube posters who have posted complaints about this in various internet forums have said that trying to contact either YouTube or the copyright claiming company to correct the situation is frustrating at best and futile at worst.
For more, try an internet search on terms like YouTube copyright claims, adding terms like conetent ID, dispute, controversey, etc. It will find a huge amount of material on this.
Jon Corelis jonc at alumni.stanford.edu